I don't think there are that many WH-peeps switching over to Incursions though, maybe some of the ones in low WH with small, inactive corporations, but iIn a good WH-corp you can make twice as much ISK/hour then the shiniest VG-blitzers. When making that much money, the only risk that can even put a dent in your wallet is if you get evicted, and that's almost impossible with well-organized occupants.

CCP has been violating the don't break what works rule for soooo long I'm surprised you brought that line up. Sorry but ALL ISK faucets combined are a big problem CCP Soundwave has admitted it to & saying WH's ISK faucet which is concentrated in the hands of much fewer then Incursions ( while being nearly the same exact amount ) shouldn't be touched along with the rest of the Sandbox makes me laugh I iterate CCP where's the Wormhole NERFS to Escaltation WHY ARE THEY GETTING OFF SCOT FREE?? BURN EVERYONE EQUALLY WHERE IT COMES TO THE ISK FAUCET 10% NERFS

Incursion doesn't drop any material or module and doesn't bring anything to the industry/market part of EVE. That's the only PVE activity in EVE that doesn't.

I will confirm something for all of you that aren't aware of how much money you can make in wormholes.

I've been living ina C4 wormhole up until recently (I removed everything as I am leaving the game and sellign this char off ad I've recently sold several other chars) I was going to biomass but friends implored me not to mostly because they didn't want everything to go to waste. So to help them enjoy EVE more I'm giving everything away to them.

Anyways.

Wormholes are as someone in this thread stated, a fountain of isk.

In a C4 static C3 (C247) wormhole I could re-roll wormholes in a matter of minutes. I could then scan out a C3 quickly with a max skilled scanning char, and close/bubble any Wh's in that C3. I could run the sites with little to no risk. making approx 300 mil an hour with 3 characters.

The only risk - new Wh's opening up into the system I am running. EASY TO NEGATE just scan every sig, eliminate them (or write down the codes) keep a probe up in system that covers the entire system. watch for ne WH's while doing sleepers = EASY.

C4's I was making around 400 mil an hour using 3 chars - 1 in a carrier and 2 maelstroms. EASY.

C5's make EVEN MORE isk. But need at least 2 people flying 2 chars each totalling 4 tengu's. If you can escalate the sites then even better. You can make approx 500-700 mil an hour iN C5's.

Can you link these stats on the number of people running whs? Or are you just making them up?

And once again I reiterate:

http://d35dgn2pdc8wsn.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/04.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MZD6-vGQms

http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html

http://d35dgn2pdc8wsn.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/06.jpg

Listen to Dr E you obviously haven't... he states in the writing of a graph the percentage of Eve doing incursion he also states the number of peeps living in WH's ( ergo the the number of people doing sites is less unless 100% of them are) . If you cannot connect the dots & do the math I suggest remedial algebra. So where are your numbers comming from ( oh wait there are no numbers so yours are straight outta your bum ) It would be nice if there was a published number of peeps doing WH sites but the numbers he provides just shows the people doing Incursion sites ( HI/LO/NULL ) vs the number living in WH space.

I'd really be interested in seeing the ISK equivent of Moon goo & nano ribbons that are produced each month to see how much wealth faucets create for NULL & W-Space

I know... my lord the ISK equivalent of these materials produced monthly must be STAGGERING! Pretty much every T2 module needs techtanium ( which is HUGE ) and every T3 ship needs nano ribbons ( pretty large )

lol I took 1 day off o Forums & Simi tries her hand in math & statistics [:roll: Bravo your 1 attempt at math was waaaaaaaaaay off. I'll let you stare at the numbers & come up with why ( hint stare at QEN's 2010 :)
I did a little stat mining from some tweet & found some interesting numbers on wormhole jumps you should check it out...
https://twitter.com/#!/CCP_Diagora
but more to my point about the ISK faucet of WH's here's a few CCP stats from CCP_Diagoras
"Sell-to-NPCs items from wormholes generated 346bn ISK yesterday. 10.43tn ISK in Feb 2012 total. 5:01 AM - 8 Mar 12 via web"

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"Sunday 19th Feb; 886bn spent on minerals, 619bn on battleships, 374bn sleeper components, 359bn composite materials, 339bn ice products. and a comparison versus Incursions faucet "Average payout for Incursion participants on the 1st of Feb was 169.5m ISK. 301.8bn payout total, 1,781 participants"

To be fair though I'll give you Feb 1st was a wednesday & both Feb 19th & March 11th were days on the weekend

I'm trying to extract actual sites being run from the NPC kills stats reported from CCP_Diagoras in his tweets but thats difficult... the numbers of Incursion runners is a easier stat from the way Incursion payout mechanism is set up If CCP_Diagoras threw out a stat of the numbers of ribbons were salvaged on a given day & were used or sold over a month that stat would be golden

You would lose that bet : http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1203/EveMonthlyInflation2003-feb2012.png
Inflation was rising in the months before the Incursions and kept going even before the Incursions where figured out in feb-march finally. The farming agreement was not struck until May of 2011 & weirdly there was a deflationary period in June 2011 ( summer months in the northern hemisphere do that plus Incarna's flop )

Hmmm I guess in the REAL world oil has nothing to do with Inflation either?

Incursions are more fun because for some ( not all of course ) because they are a group effort sort of like a 24 hour CTA now: you can throw together a pick up fleet ALOT easier then in a WH ( WH's ya sorta do need peeps you all know together in the same place at the same time (lo sec incursion fleets have to be secretive about it of course and know each other well) ) WH's do sound fun& there is alot of work to get the POS's set up... they are solo-able unlike Incursions ( there is 1-3 players that used to be able to solo 7-8 box a non OTA site think one of then was CHUNKER ( he can't anymore due to competition really) there now is another guy but he doesn't really solo them I'm told he needs someone else in his Tengu fleet to logi for him ) So yes for those that like to be (occasional?) solo hermits WH's are a route not afforded by Incursions.
I only did a few level 4's before I was swept into my fun in Incursions... if/when I tire of them after some more lo sec Incursion fun dunno if I'll check out NULL or WH games I keep tottering between the 2... but if CCP keeps nerfing everything PvE EXCEPT W-Space I'll move there & increase its ranks like Dr E says is happening from the 2011 to 2012 Q1 pie chart graph ( here's another stat: QEN 2010 had the WH population pegged at 2.8% BTW )

But backto my original point: IF CCP IS 10% ISK NERFING BOUNTIES/DRONES/INCURSIONS faucets due to the market INFERNO sleeper components ( I refer to as blue loot ) should be also because if they have injected 1/3+ of the ISK into the Eve sandbox since thier inception

-I am not exagerating. Blue loot is a bigger ISK injector then Incursion payouts.

-CCP's Escalation to Inferno NERFing b!tch slapped HI SEC (thru Incursion site time increases) & Lo SEC (Drone poo anhilation& Incursions NERF) PvE Incomes yet left W-Space scot free. Expect a mass migration there over the summer.

The numbers quoted were not a monthly average for blue loot & Incursion payouts. In the fanfet presentation I recall december was said to be the busiest month for incursion runners. February wasa shortened month. Before farming a month before Incarna came out WH ISK injection dwarfed Incursion payouts& inlation really started in earnest a month before the Incursion sites opened up.
Will be interesting to see how much drone bounties increase ISK injection but I hear ( second hand ) they are not that great.

Incorrect Inflation started getting worse BEFORE Incursions came out

http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1203/EveInflation_2010-2012.gif

fixed that for you monocle-boy

LOL @ monocle-boy. Apo, you make friends so easy.

ABLOOBLOO

I think CCP should nerf incursions again just so we can have more threads like these.

Pretty much sounds like it. I'm surprised W-Space survived the beating it must have taken from the entrenched NULL SECcers whines. I guess the combined whines of NULL & WHolers was too much.

Again, there is no "you guys", just me. So I'm free to **** off much of W-space "community" by arguing for reduced isk and increased difficulty of operating large blobs, nobody else will suffer for my forum whoring

PS.
Assuming you mean RnK I wasn't aware ccres had had a "thing" with them. But I've been away for almost two years so who knows. Don't really care either, mind.

Nah, I've gone "bitter vet" because the blobs are five times as big as when I last played and because everyone flies around with as much bling as I always did, or more even. Which means I can't do my thing alone anymore and will have to become a ***** like you, bound to his flock, if I want to attack peeps in high class wh's.